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Details of the mechanism - how does it work?
[edit]Being familiar with the paternoster in Leicester, I've often wondered how it works, but have never followed it up far enough to find out. What happens to the cabins as they go over the top (or bottom)? There is no vertical space between the cabins on the straight parts of the loop. If they are fixed to a belt, once they start to go around the end, the vertical speed should logically decrease. But it can't, because the cabins are already touching one another. That suggests it must "speed up" somehow.
The only diagram I could find is a Victorian one [1].
It appears that the drive belt is fixed to the outside of the cabins, while they are guided by a rail in the centre.
Does anyone know of a site with detailed diagrams of how paternosters work? If would make a good addition to the article.
--JRawle 21:53, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
The Victorian diagram is, in fact, very accurate. The only difference with more modern designs is that they feature a single piece of wood at the bottom of each cubicle, to cover the gap between cubicles. When reaching the top, the piece of wood slides in front of the entrance of the preceeding cubicle.
81.178.234.102 10:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- You're right, there must be a gap. However, I don't agree that the piece of wood "slides in front of the entrance of the preceeding cubicle." When I went "over the top" in the Attenborough Tower, I didn't see the piece of wood slide in front. Could it be hinged so that it remains in between the cubicles as it goes over? JRawle (Talk) 22:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
And also, more specifications on how the system operates - how fast can they travel, power of the motors etc although this will vary from site to site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.12.7.4 (talk) 11:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- Paternosters are very slow-moving - such that I was able to use one as a child. Any accidents wull be shown to be related to maintenance(lack of) and/or human stupidity, such as trying to carry a piece of lumber into the cabin. 70.49.18.153 (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
I really understood how it works only when I saw https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Paternoster_animated.gif (by User:RokerHROthat), that I found in it.wiki. Also this voice should use it, is there someone who wants do this work? carlon 151.35.123.139 (talk) 07:38, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
"Five people were killed by paternosters from 1970 to 1993"
[edit]Where? In Europe? USA? In the world? And who has been repsonsible for counting them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.240.182.219 (talk) 12:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Postgraduate student Radmila Lakicevic was killed in early October 1975 whilst riding the paternoster in Claremont Tower, University of Newcastle upon Tyne. See http://courierarchive.ncl.ac.uk/sites/default/files/1975-10-08.pdf page 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.62.76 (talk) 15:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Materials handling
[edit]Paternosters are quite commonly used to store items in a warehousing environment. I've worked in a good few places where they are used and actively referred to as paternosters, maybe not in the traditional sense of the word but this usage is certainly notable and common enough to be somehow included in this article.
http://www.kardexinternational.com/international/materials-handling-solutions/megamat.html
http://www.logismarket.co.uk/vertical-carousel-industrial-paternoster-ipn/345914833-cp.html
--Lakkasuo (talk) 17:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Claremont Building Newcastle
[edit]As a Town Planning student at Newcastle in 1989. I used the Claremont Building lifts a great deal. The rumours about people injuring themselves in the lift were rife but I do not recall the lifts being out of order for lengths of time nor do I remember ever having a paternoster there out of service.
I would be very interested in seeing this reference to the Claremont Building being validated - does anyone have anything as I have googled to no effect. Very interested to see something written at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.119.95 (talk) 17:52, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The paternoster in Claremont was certainly out of operation for a whilst from October 1988, since there was a non-fatal accident in it that month. I was a student at Newcastle also and recall it was out of operation for some months 1988-1989 and was then replaced with a conventional lift by around 1990. See http://courierarchive.ncl.ac.uk/sites/default/files/1988-10-20.pdf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.62.76 (talk) 15:18, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to add that the paternoster was definitely in operation in 1980. I was a student there and used to regularly go "over the top" in it for a laugh. Excumbrian (talk) 21:40, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
contested list of remaining paternosters
[edit]Section removed by editor as unsourced, moving to Talk page for further editing and citation. DMahalko (talk) 14:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
It seems to have made its way back into the page, as "Examples". Jkshapiro (talk) 02:19, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Surviving paternosters
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Numerous working paternosters are known to survive in Europe (this is an incomplete list): ===Austria===
===Belgium===
===Czech Republic===
===Denmark===
===Finland===
===Germany===
===Hungary===
===Italy===
===Netherlands===
===Norway===
===Poland===
===Russia===
===Slovakia===
Removed and replaced in 2007 with a modern elevator:
===Serbia===
===Sri Lanka===
===Sweden===
===Switzerland===
===Ukraine===
===United Kingdom=== Some United Kingdom, multi-story, university buildings were built in the early 1960s and 1970s with paternoster lifts: they included buildings at Aston University; Birmingham University's Gisbert Kapp building (the Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering, completed in 1971), the Muirhead Tower, and the University Library); Birmingham City University's Baker Building; The Albert Sloman Library at the University of Essex; University of Leicester's Attenborough Building; Leeds University's Roger Stevens building, now closed, Salford University's Chemistry tower block, now demolished - although the paternoster itself was closed down in the late 1970s following a fatal accident at another UK university; Sheffield University's Arts Tower, Imperial College's Chemistry Department (removed in the mid 1980s), De Montfort University's Fletcher Building (now replaced with high speed lifts) and James Went Building (now demolished), Oxford University's Biochemistry building and Thom Building (housing the Department of Engineering Science), and Newcastle University. Until the late 1980s, St. Thomas' Hospital, Westminster had a paternoster for staff use, whiles one administrative building at AEE Winfrith had one until the late 1990s.
References
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Hitachi
[edit]I declare the references 8 and 9, pertaining to Hitachi to be invalid due to the fact that they are in Japanese. Due to this, I cannot verify their veracity and I will remove them if there are no objections. Pablothepenguin (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
- Please read WP:NOENG - a source is not 'invalid' merely because it is in a foreign language. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:39, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
History / Examples : Daleks
[edit]"A paternoster was used in the Dalek headquarters in the 1965 film Dr Who and The Daleks." Just out of curiosity I looked up the mentioned scenes in the movie and this is clearly not a paternoster rather than an elevator with open cabins. -- Miczac (talk) 20:32, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Jacob's ladder
[edit]I feel sure that I've heard this, perhaps 50 years ago, as an alternative name for paternoster, but cannot find a citation.
"And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it." (KJV Gen. 28:12)
The parallel is obvious. Narky Blert (talk) 18:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- "Jacob's Ladder" usually refers to a large rectangular trap door to an attic which opens to a set of stairs. 70.49.18.153 (talk) 16:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
LSE Paternoster
[edit]When I was at the London School of Economics (1979-82) we had a paternoster lift. There was much speculation about what would happen if you stayed in it at the top or the bottom. I never tried it!Bashereyre (talk) 08:14, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
- You just go round and round. No one dies, they just dangle. But having been in one a few times in Leipzig after the Mauerfall, I figured that the name derived from the prayer that was needed every time. 2001:171C:2E60:D7E1:514C:891B:D8D7:C1DF (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- And if you want to freak out anyone watching on the topmost floor, do a headstand while the car is going over the top… Mr Larrington (talk) 13:02, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
De Montfort University / Leicester Polytechnic
[edit]There were two paternosters at DMU, one in the Fletcher building and one in the James Went building. Both went out of service when the buildings were demolished in the 2000s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.225.231 (talk) 23:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Lots more Paternosters surviving ...
[edit]Please see this list from the German Wikipedia. References can be found on that page, too. Since it's just a list of locations I don't think it needs a lot of translating. Plse. edit. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Paternosteraufz%C3%BCgen 2600:1700:1C60:45E0:857D:F837:1900:6086 (talk) 16:12, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
On the other hand, this lists a paternoster in the "offices of bild" and one in the Axel-Springer-Haus. I am pretty sure they are the same, Bild being a Springer paper and having its offices in the Springer-Haus.2001:BB8:2002:2400:517D:1160:1DE5:A837 (talk) 19:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
Surviving examples/Austria
[edit]"The university had one or more" doesn't say which university (I presume that Vienna now has more than one university) or which building, and doesn't appear to have any reference. TooManyFingers (talk) 15:25, 16 April 2023 (UTC)