Talk:Iraqi Kurdistan

False information/ Every single word written about the Pre-Islamic history of Iraqi Kurdistan is inaccurate / requesting for rewriting this section

Dears,

the section about the pre-Islamic history of Iraqi Kurdistan is filled with very obvious outdated, incorrect and inaccurate data. Almost all the information written in this article is against the information written in other articles on Wiki and recent scholarship.

Please re write the page or at least delete it until an independent Wikipedia user edits it.

Historical facts:

1- The Kurdistan region was not part of Assyria until after 1350 BCE. Since there was no Assyria before 1365 BCE but the city of Assur which locates in modern Salhadin province and its outside of Iraqi Kurdistan. It should not be on this page.

"there was no Babylonia before ca. 1765 BCE, and no Assyria before ca. 1365 BCE. There were only the cities of Assur and Babylon, among many others."

Source: Assyrilogists Charpin/Durand 1997

"Between 1500 and 1200 BCE Assyria successfully transformed from a relatively insignificant small city state into one of the great powers of the Amarna Age." Source: Bleda S. Düring (2020). The Imperialisation of Assyria: An Archaeological Approach. p.41

"In 1365 b.c.e., the city-state of Ashur in upper Mesopotamia gained independence from the powerful kingdom of Mitanni. The warrior who accomplished this was Ashurballit (1363-1328).. Ashurballit's kingdom became known as Assyria."

Source: John Middleton (2015). World Monarchies and Dynasties. p.66

"Old Assyrian Period here does not refer to Assyria as a territorial state , which only took shape after the period we are dealing with (after 16th century BCE) , but to the city of Assur , the core of a small city - state ."

Source: K. R. Veenhof, ‎Jesper Eidem, ‎Markus Wäfler (2008) Mesopotamia: The Old Assyrian Period - Page 19-27

Regarding Old Assyrian Period: Shamshi Adad didn't build "Old Assyrian Empire" and he didn't name his empire Assyria, this term was used by early Assyriologists and and now its rejected by modern Assyrilogists and recent scholarship and its replaced with kingdom of Upper Mesopotamia. And his kingdom only lasted for 25 years:

"Shamshi - Adad and Sons : The Rise and Fall of a Upper Mesopotamian Empire." Russ VerSteeg (2000). Early Mesopotamian Law - Page 184. and also Dominique Charpin, ‎Pascal Attinger, ‎Dietz Otto Edzard (2004). Mesopotamia: - Page 257.

"Shamshi-Adad and the Kingdom of Upper Mesopotamia". Marc Van De Mieroop (2015). A History of the Ancient Near East, ca. 3000-323 BC - Page x

"Shamshi-Adad and the 'kingdom of Upper Mesopotamia". Mario Liverani (2013). The Ancient Near East: History, Society and Economy - Page 226

"Shamshi-Adad consolidated territories into the kingdom of Upper Mesoptamia". Trevor Bryce (2009). The Routledge Handbook of the Peoples and Places of Ancient Western Asia: From the Early Bronze Age to the Fall of the Persian Empire. p.xliii

"King Shamshi-Adad of the Upper Mesopotamian kingdom". Brian Bonhomme, ‎Cathleen Boivin (2010). Milestone Documents in World History: 2350 BCE-1058 CE - Page 15.

2- Kurdistan Region was known as Subartu and it was under the rule of the kingdom of Kurda from Early Bronze Age until it came under the rule of the Mittanians and it was entirely inhabited by non Semitic Hurrian-Speaking Surbarians.

"for the Old Babylonian kings, Subartu is neither Assyria nor Ekallatum but the agglomeration of the little city-kingdoms."

source: Michael C. Astour. (1987). Hisotory of Ebla, in "Eblaitica". Eisenbrauns. p. 98.

king of Elam to the king of Kurda in 1770s BCE:

"Keep Subartu under your control and don’t give troops to the prince of Babylon. Send a message to Zimri-Lim of Mari that also he should give none to the prince of Babylon."

Source: Mieroop, Marc Van De (2008). King Hammurabi of Babylon: A Biography. John Wiley & Sons. p. 51.

"Eshnunna also demanded that Kurda remain neutral and hold on to Subartu."

Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/harvard-theological-review/article/prophecy-in-hamath-israel-and-mari/2059704595F36CE70CB3B13CC694E283

Another Source that Upper Land/Mesopotamia (Iraqi Kurdistan) was under the rule of the kingdom of Kurda: "Kurda resisted the Elamite attempt of controlling the area of the upper land."

Source: Wolfgang Heimpel, The journal NABU (Nouvelles Assyriologiques Brèves et Utilitaires), June 2000, N.2 (June). p.39

"Kurda must have fallen into the hands of Šamši - Adad around the time that he took Šubat - Enlil , hence around 20 - 25 years before the end of his reign and the advent of Zimri - Lim ." Ancient Oriental Research - Volume 28 - Page 94 - 2001. p.94

the Iraqi and parts of Syrian Kurdistan were known as Kurda NOT Assyria, according to historical sources.

3- Asuristan, Athur, Athura etc were used to designate southern and Middle parts Iraq. please see the wikipedia pages for the information goes against the Wikipedia articles and every independent historical sources.

"Ardashir ' s subsequent advance from Media described a large arc through Adurbadagan | Atropatene , Nodshiragan / Adiabene, to Asuristan / Assyria ( Iraq) , where he conquered the capital of the Parthian Empire."

Source: Joe Cribb, ‎Georgina Herrmann, ‎British Academy ( 2007). p.232

"in Sassanian times Asuristan did not comprise the Mosul region, which was called Arbayestan"

"Sassanian Province: Adiabene (northern Iraq, South of Turkey... Asuristan (south of Arabistan).."

Carlos Ramirez-Faria (2007). Concise Encyclopeida Of World History. p.648.

For Athur and other toponyms please see the latest research below, the Roman province of Athur was never formed and it was not in Irai Kurdistan.

Michał Marciak. Sophene, Gordyene, and Adiabene: Three Regna Minora of Northern Mesopotamia Between East and West. (BRILL, Jul 17, 2017)

4- Erbil and Ninevah, Shubat Enlili, Arrapha were not built by the Assyrians but by Sumerians and Hurrians, and Hurrian speaking Subarians.

Guys there is something called Google Books, it takes you just 1 hour to know these historical facts.

For God's sake how this false information is allowed to be on here is really shocking to me.!!

Everybody can edit wikipedia, you are welcome to do the adaptions you see as useful.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

This is true. This page is bogus and is being locked to spread misinformation. Let the people who actually know that region put up the facts. This is wrong and the original poster has no right to do this. Wikipedia only makes it easy by not giving a damn Anonymoosy13 (talk) 20:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

This guy doesn't see that the page is LOCKED. "Everybkdy can edit Wikipedia, " what an idiot Anonymoosy13 (talk) 20:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi my very dear Anonymoosy13, well yes everybody is allowed to edit wikipedia, but some articles might be a bit compromised due to some editorial conflict. I have read your comment, but after reading Old Assyrian Empire which existed way before the date you mentioned, and noting that the Asuristan you mentioned isn't mentioned in the article, I didn't really feel compelled by your arguments and quit reading.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:22, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah, and idiot is not really a good way how to address Wikipedia editors:)This kind of behavior might get you into trouble some day. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

You should write that Peshmerga occupied Kurdistan regions were controlled by Iran from year 1970 to 2005, from 2005 it belongs to Iraq, since Khamenei sold that region to Jalal Talabani, who then sworn as the new president of Iraq. 155.137.27.93 (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

When Jalal Talabani was elected president of Iraq, Kurdistan region automatically belongs to Iraq since then, both officially and un-officially. 155.137.27.93 (talk) 16:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

ISIS and Iraqi Kurdistan

This article could be improved with a updated history that discusses ISIS and Kurdistan. SgtPRich (talk) 14:43, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Section titled "Following US Withdrawal"

The date of the US Withdrawal is not actually stated. Is the reader supposed just to know this information?ENSOsurfer (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Kurds "Iranian ethnic group" RFC

Editors are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kurds#RFC: Iranian ethnic group. Levivich (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

On the term

I posit that the name “Iraqi Kurdistan” and “Southern Kurdistan” are both unofficial terms, in the sense that they are not used by any authority on geography internationally nor are they mentioned in the Iraqi Constitution as designations for a part of Iraq, and as such, it should be made clear that they are both unofficial. Also, the context in which these terms are used should also be specified, and that is, the context of Kurdish nationalism. Montblamc1 (talk) 11:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Montblamc1

An easy Google search or JSTOR search shows that "Iraqi Kurdistan" is not used by Kurdish nationalists but in academic studies. Could you explain how all these sources are related to nationalist Kurds? Sikorki (talk) 12:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately you don’t seem to be understanding what I am trying to say. Perhaps look up the word “context”, and then read my comment again. Montblamc1 (talk) 12:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion has also taken place here. Semsûrî (talk) 12:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)